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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Bob Weir Interview

http://www.squeezeburger.com/bob.mp3

[Mod update: Possible source of audio is KBCO Boulder CO 12/2/2005, where he reportedly played an acoustic Ratdog set.]

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Poster: lip11 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:23am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

What a load of BS. He sounds like GW Bush stumbling for words and crap.

The Dead used to sing a song "He was a friend of mine".

Well, Mr. Weir isn't.

And what the heck is squeezeburger.com?

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Poster: Squeezeburger Date: Dec 4, 2005 4:31pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I posted this because people didn't want to torrent it, or didn't know how to... I thought it was an extremely important interview for people to hear, and by encoding it to MP3 that would insure more would.

My position on this whole thing: Well I was an original boycotter... and when this interview came out I was furious... but now I'm mellowing to the whole thing... I still don't know if Bob is really the ahole he seems to be in the interview..

As for Squeezeburger itself... Its a site for me and my friends to joke around on.. We tell fun stories, and make up characters.... For instance, my real name is Joe, but I go by the alias: Hugh Jassman.

A couple other characters are involved: Morgan Litz, Wang Chung, and Captain Roddy. Its all in good fun.

http://www.squeezebuger.com Squeeze burger or Squeezeburger
http://lander4411.blogspot.com/ THE TRIVIAL TALE OF WANG CHUNG


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Poster: TooMuch Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Lip11, I was thinking the same thing. He sounds like Bush.Come on Weir copyrights?That is a bunch of bull.If that was the case you would have pull the Aud tapes of also. They have cover songs on them.Are the Cannons Jug Stompers still around?

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Poster: laptaper Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

OK, Bob, the boards are yours, the boards are yours, I've never said otherwise.

But - 90% of the reasons you gave were pure BS. What Archive was doing was illegal? Your organization had already given permission to website operators to host shows, without discriminating between boards and auds. Technically, Archive didn't need to ask for permission it had already received, they just needed to post your policy and abide by its noncommercial stipulations - that's what it says. In short, this was a really cheap shot. Also, the Dead organization knew about this for a quite a while and made no complaint, took no action (see McNally's press statement). Silence equals consent, Bob.

As far as Archive needing to get permission from every single artist you've covered to put your versions of their songs, that's absurd. If that was so you would have made a stipulation in your policy that only Dead original tunes could be spread via the internet, and any posting of "Viola Lee Blues", "Queen Jane Approximately", etc. would have to be worked out with the artists or their estates. Your own policy puts the emphasis on your performances as the property in question, not the songs themselves.

Finally, you admit the real reason - "we need the revenue". Fair enough; I haven't planned well for my retirement, so I can't fault you for doing the same. But, fer crissake, admit it, will ya? Or at least put down the tar brush that you seem intent on hitting Archive with again and again. Although some of the people on this message board are whiners, the folks who work hard running this site aren't and deserve better treatment than you've been giving them. Quit blackening others' reputations to save your own.

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Poster: Peter Kuhn Date: Dec 6, 2005 12:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I sure hope Bobby is paying Ice Nine for all the Garcia/Hunter song performed by Ratdog and traded by their fans. ;)

The Dead's mistake was to let SBDs out of the vault as well as allowing board patches. Their employees acting as agents for the band allowed this to happen with Dead's dysfunctional organization and board (band members) probably oblivious to the fact. New SBDs kept appearing after Jerry died. Putting the genie back into the bottle will be next to impossible.

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Poster: markpj Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

one last thing for weir ..get a clue. Maybe if the fans were into your music and downloads you would not punish us like this by taking away the music..so if it is not working for you and if it was you would not have to yank are chain with the sbd's ..I was O.K. with aud tapes only but now you just fueled the flame. I should have known way sooner and did suspect it was bob cause there are no ratdog downloads on this site anyway..I am selling my ratdog ticket and going to be looking for a miracle phil ticket

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:15pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir, Ratdog downloads

there are no ratdog downloads on this site anyway

Please see currently 173 items and counting at
http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Ratdog
Enjoy the music, thanks to the band's generosity!

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Poster: jeffyjo Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:46am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I just listened to that mp3, and I have to say... I think Bobby's acting like he doesn't care about the fans... unless, that is, they buy something. Which is sad, because that's the exact opposite of what the "Grateful Dead spirit" is supposed to be.

And... if this is so illegal, why did the band allow it for 40 years, only "cracking down" when times got tough and the money got short? 40 years is a heck of a precedent to try to destroy. I also don't like how he makes the archive.org team out to be some band of crazy bootleggers and criminals.

It's just sad.

I don't feel the need to sign anything, but I can see why people are boycotting him, and this makes me think twice about giving him my money as well. Because that seems to be our only use to him.

Jeff

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Poster: markpj Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:11am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

SEE YA ???? Why I am so Hurt..I used to go see go-ahead and bob and rob and now I know why everybody gets upset when it's a bobby song

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Poster: RickyD Date: Dec 3, 2005 2:34pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

How can there be a boycot against Bobby when everyone boycoting him are mad because he doesn't want to GIVE FOR FREE anything that might get him SUED. Great idea...lets boycot somebody who gives use stuff for free for fourty years by not buying anything at all. Hmmmmmm...why not boycot somebosy who NEVER gives anything for free whether they've done that for fourty years or not. Stop whining that the world isn't free. Sometimes things cost money, sometimes things cost personal time, sometimes things cost work and effort. I think the better idea would be to support the guy now. After all fourty years is a long time to have been fighting greedy businessmen. Isn't part of the "Grateful Dead spirit" built on coming together and sharing both the richs of life as well as the fights. But no lets all start turning our backs on him and turn to fighting eachother so that the whole "Grateful Dead spirit" dies altogether. It is what corporate america would like!

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Poster: woodro69 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:38pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

bob was always []

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-12-04 05:38:55

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Poster: geronimo1 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Please Honor Bob's Request

For all of you who have listened to the Bob interview concerning LMA, Please remember that he asked all of you to continue the boycott of GDM forever. Help him out and do so. Encourage your friends as well. They (Bob, Mickey, Billy) don't need you, me, our money or our support. 'Cause you know man, they are having revenue problems around the Dead mobile, and they are gonna digitize this stuff, you know, that some people would even call ...art. And we were thieves waiting to get them sued by all the people they covered songs from. Finally, he has requested that the song "Loser" officially be renamed "Bobby", effective immediately, to be digitized on all media. Now come on all you loyal fans, help the hapless idiot loser out.

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Poster: smagnolia Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:27pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Please Honor Bob's Request

I'm more than happy to honor Bob's request and to him I say "See ya!" but I can't recall seeing any sort of statement from Bill yet. You have grouped him with Phil and Mickey. Do you have a link for a statement? I would love to read it because I am anxiously waiting to hear word from him.
Peace...................
(another GREAT quote from this Bob interview was "We need the revenue". I will not spend another dime to see Ratdog.)

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Poster: pnc Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

i know i'll get flamed, but...

besides sounding stoned, bob sounds defensive. i wonder why? you'd only have to be tuned in to all the whiners posting on the archive to stop wondering...

maybe bob made a (poor) decision (it sounds like on his own)and maybe he did not handle the explanation effectively in this interview, but if i was in his position, and had witnessed the ridiculous sense of entitlement displayed by some heads...i might be turned to the darkside too. i'm guessing that "see'ya" was to all of you...people, they were never doing it for all of us anyway. music is, and always has been, a business. even for the best band to ever go on stage...

what may have eventually come around to the sbds being put right back on this site as they were a few weeks ago, for the DL...sounds like it'll never happen now. and I'm blaming those folks who couldn't just chill and see how it all played out...(i.e., waited to see if somebody like phil could talk some sense into the other band memebers).

this whole thing has just sucked...and as Diana has pointed out again and again, this has not set a positive precedent for other bands considering opening their music up to the archive.



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Poster: Eytan Date: Dec 4, 2005 7:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Nice post PNC - but I don't imagine other bands would do this without posting their own explanation when it happened and then blame archive.org (and not even get the name right and call it archive.com, implying it is a COMmercial enterprise).
Bottom line, stand up and take responsibility for YOUR actions, don't blame archive.org. He really does remind me of this current administration and the inability to take responsibility for your own actions and where that gets you.

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Poster: HighNRGOne Date: Dec 4, 2005 5:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Space Cadet of Circumstance......Babbling in a Trance

Wow.....Heaven help the fool. I would say I am disappointed but I never expected much out of Weir in the first place. I would say I am surprised.... but I am not.

Weir was invited at the the tender age of 17 into what became perhaps the most profound musical group since the advent of rock. Look at the lives of every band member and see who they were before they all became this band. It is safe to say that Weir had the most limited life perspective, albeit by circumstance (though he sure ain't no saint of it). And then, before ever growing up, he was swept up into the highly-misguided notion that he is worthy of worship (clearly still validated by many on this board).

A previous writer referred to Weir living in a 'bubble'. Sounds about right.....40 years in a bubble as the biggest hanger-on in the band (didn't he and Pig get 'fired' briefly in '68, but just never left???). Without Barlow or Garcia, Weir would have been just another struggling 3rd-rate wannabe guitarist with little to say and even less to play. .....like he is now.

I mean let's be real....Weir peaked around '74 as a guitarist. He's never peaked with anything else (except maybe some righteous Owsley product). As highlighted over and over again his performances are so hit and miss (and more miss than hit) that fewer and fewer people are willing to gamble $50 on the hope he might actually be in a good enough mood or suddenly start caring again enough to do more than 'phone in' another lackluster 'performance'. Now he's slumped into a horribly dismissive, self-important, disingenuous 'dead relic' with this rambling, disjointed, dishonest diatribe. Garcia would probably not be surprised...he lived with Weir's attention-starved dissonance for several decades.

Some things never change.

I mean, Sheezus....."archive.COM????" Ever hear of that little difference between .org and .com, Bob??? Let me explain....the .org's are the kind human beings who work for NO PROFIT doing real public service, unlike others on the 'internets' (or in music) whose sole mission is to line their grubby pockets. Bob, it is no shock you are oblivious to the existence of those who give their lives to more than making cash and talking trash.

"What they're doing is illegal"???? This guy needs to learn how to play music again before he starts making such laughably absurd charges against hard-working servants of the public interest.

"See ya"? Don't count on it, B.

And P.S. To those whining about 'whiners'.....do any of you actually think that a single damn thing would have changed from Nov. 22nd had we all just fell to our knees in sycophantic worship? How did you all make things better, I am curious??

I don't know about the 'whiners' but I know that the hue and cry of many caring people brought the music back, not the knee-jerk defenders of anything/everything the Dead ever do.

Crass, hypocritical, greedy, ill-founded, unexplained behavior should get a free pass from no one. S**t behavior isn't excusable just because you were part of making some good music decades ago.

I guess I would rather be called a 'whiner' than a worshipper.

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:41am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview



Well put, pnc


Jim

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Poster: davidbarfield Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:53pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

"i know i'll get flamed, but..."

just a little.

"besides sounding stoned, bob sounds defensive. i wonder why? you'd only have to be tuned in to all the whiners posting on the archive to stop wondering..."

it's beyond defenive, it is hostile. he mocked the people who were pissed at the decision (listen to his fake hippie voice) by basically claiming them to be ignorant, entitled dopes. perhaps there are some dopes, and when dopes get angry they may write unseemly things on message boards. but at the same time a lot of other people express themselves in positive ways--it all comes out in the wash

this business about entitlement kinda freaks me out. when someone takes your property (in this case, audience tapes) and defines how you are to use it, well simply; it's maddening. let's not revise history, they took everything down and it was only because of the heads freaking that got them back up. in a way, i would have loved to see the case in court (they'd have lost)...but back to weir. don't know about y'all, but i don't know any hippies. everyone i've ever met taping, at shows, online are people with jobs, advanced degrees, kids, lives, and brains. what makes weir's claims so outrageous is that he's off track so far ("illegal" ??? wtf?) and his attitude so offensive, that blaming it on a coupla effed up posts on archive does not answer get to the heart of what's up.

"maybe bob made a (poor) decision (it sounds like on his own)and maybe he did not handle the explanation effectively in this interview, but if i was in his position, and had witnessed the ridiculous sense of entitlement displayed by some heads...i might be turned to the darkside too. i'm guessing that "see'ya" was to all of you...people, they were never doing it for all of us anyway. music is, and always has been, a business. even for the best band to ever go on stage..."

the problem with this, again, is that it's not "entitlement" the way you use the term. your defintion seems to imply that there's no basis whatever for people to be angry, and then using that (sometimes over-the-top) anger as rationalization for their crappy behavior. bob weir had a line once about how deadheads should behave at shows. he discounted telling other what to do, instead advocating that people set a "conspicuous example" of good behavior. i agreed with that..


"what may have eventually come around to the sbds being put right back on this site as they were a few weeks ago, for the DL...sounds like it'll never happen now. and I'm blaming those folks who couldn't just chill and see how it all played out...(i.e., waited to see if somebody like phil could talk some sense into the other band memebers)."

here i think you're just wrong.

"this whole thing has just sucked...and as Diana has pointed out again and again, this has not set a positive precedent for other bands considering opening their music up to the archive."

perhaps, but given the particulars of this situation there's no other band that even comes close to the issues raised here, nor will there ever be again.

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Poster: angular Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I feel ya. I wish this whole thing would not have happenned. The whiners though (especially unbrokenchain) have made the situation alot worse. I keep hoping its all just a dream i dreamed one afternoon long ago.

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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 3, 2005 4:53pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I have to agree with you i wish the whole thing never happened and your right the winers made it worse but sometimes you have to speak up to find out the truth and i guess thats what happened- it all very sad we all nedd to look at ourselves especially Bobby

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Poster: Urthmover Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:50am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I am embarrassed at Bob's behavior and lack of tact. Unless you have thought about an answer don't start babbling..... and I think I just heard a plug for r@td0g!! from bad to worse

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Poster: Michael Hughey Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

The full KSBO interview and the studio performance is available for bittorrent download here:

http://www.bootcity.org/showthread.php?p=27351

Hungry, angry, lonely, tired...whatever. Bob's statements are still heartbreaking.

I could respect him if he had stood up and said, "this IA thing is more successful than we could have imagined. We feel the boards are ours and we'd like to sell some of them commercially. We need money and some of us are concerned that if you can just dl the IA contributors' painstaking masters of all the shows we don't release, you won't buy the ones we master and release." What he actually said, though, I simply can't support.

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Poster: Bingerburn Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Right on, I have to agree. I just figure Bob could be getting a little roughed up thinking about old age while going broke. No matter what, it's true the cash will start flowing pretty steadily if they put differences aside and got it all together again---I just wonder how easy it is. I've seen wonderful people who have had way too much of each other act pretty stupid. All in all, I think any show that has Jerry in it should be going the way they had decided when they were all there, there for people to grab & listen. I also think Bob sounded like he was searching for any type of real legitimate reason to be doing this (and not succeding). Wouldn't it be nice if we could call it tired though?

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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:57pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

The Seven Deadly Sins Bobby
Pride (1) Humility Seeing ourselves as we are and not comparing ourselves to others is humility. Pride and vanity are competitive. If someone else's pride really bothers you, you have a lot of pride.
Avarice/Greed (5) Generosity This is about more than money. Generosity means letting others get the credit or praise. It is giving without having expectations of the other person. Greed wants to get its "fair share" or a bit more.
Envy (2) Love "Love is patient, love is kind…" Love actively seeks the good of others for their sake. Envy resents the good others receive or even might receive. Envy is almost indistinguishable from pride at times.
Wrath/Anger (3) Kindness Kindness means taking the tender approach, with patience and compassion. Anger is often our first reaction to the problems of others. Impatience with the faults of others is related to this.
Lust (7) Self control Self control and self mastery prevent pleasure from killing the soul by suffocation. Legitimate pleasures are controlled in the same way an athlete's muscles are: for maximum efficiency without damage. Lust is the self-destructive drive for pleasure out of proportion to its worth. Sex, power, or image can be used well, but they tend to go out of control.
Gluttony (6) Faith and Temperance Temperance accepts the natural limits of pleasures and preserves this natural balance. This does not pertain only to food, but to entertainment and other legitimate goods, and even the company of others.
Sloth (4) Zeal Zeal is the energetic response of the heart to God's commands. The other sins work together to deaden the spiritual senses so we first become slow to respond to God and then drift completely into the sleep of complacency.

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Poster: iselin65 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

wow.

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Poster: davidbarfield Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

hasn't the estate of buddy holly already been paid?

and would be paid again should they release a recording for sale with his work on it?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:30pm
Forum: etree Subject: All learning together


This is just a guess, but Mr Weir could have felt rushed and backed into a corner. No one likes that. It often makes people feel like they have to come out swinging or play defense.

If this had played out where people could have evolved an opinion over a space of weeks, I think we might have given more folks room to learn and come to a consensus rather than taking sides. But there were public accusations and alot of drama.

If this theory is right, then lets give all involved that space now.

Learn and forgive. It is worth it in the long haul. This band and this tradition are too important.

My 2 cents.

-brewster

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:56pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: All learning together

i second that emotion!

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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:46pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: All learning together

Learn and Forgive I agree

But how long do you think he really to think about this- a couple of weeks or a couple of years?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: All learning together

All we have to come from on that is his statement, and phil's for that matter: it sounds like it came down pretty fast.

For those of us in the tape trading world this has been central for a long time, but I am guessing that these guys would much rather think about making music :)

I think in a year's time we will all get a better perspective on this whole kerfuffle, its impact, and people's considered opinions.

I would love this to die down and let that learning process take place.

-brewster


This post was modified by brewster on 2005-12-04 08:00:36

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Poster: BERGAN BROWN Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:58pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: All learning together

i hear you my brother. lets take a deep breath and realize that Bobby is not the Grateful Dead. The GRATEFUL Dead are everyone that has played in the band and all who have attended. dont let one 4 minute rant change what the whole thing has been about.
WHEN YOU GET CONFUSED LISTEN TO THE MUSIC PLAY

PEACE MY FRIENDS

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Poster: deadinohio Date: Dec 4, 2005 8:45pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: All learning together

Amen. Remember...sometimes the light is exactly where you don't expect it...in the strangest of places...but you have to "look at it right!"

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Poster: Blues Before Breakfast Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Worse than I could have imagined. Bob is so full of feces it's sad. It's all about paying roylaties for the cover songs, right, Bob? So taking down the soundboards and keeping the audience recordings -- of the same performances with the same covers -- available solves that problem exactly how again?

"We had no choice." Uh-huh. "We need revenue." Praise the lord and pass the revenue; Jim Bakker would be proud. "See ya." No, actually, you won't, Bobby.

As to the point that the band owns the SBDs, I have personally witnessed people ("civilians") being patched into the board at shows. There is a principle in the law regarding apparent authority, which I believe sound technicians clearly had. If the band didn't authorize patching in, they might have done something about it over the several decades it took place. Otherwise, they were, at the least, tacitly approving it.

Poor Bobby. So busy touring with Ratdog, and yet he was forced to deal with this right before Xmas. If only Phil had that sense of responsibility.

Finally, I am not a psychiatrist, but one has to wonder about the fact that world-beloved Jerry Garcia passes, and for the first time in his life, Bob Weir decides to grow a bushy grey beard. Freud would have a field day with that one.

Hey, Bob: "I used to love you/but it's all over now." (Maybe we should censor this post, since it quotes another artist, and we know that's your primary concern!)

This post was modified by Blues Before Breakfast on 2005-12-03 17:42:41

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Poster: Zeno Marx Date: Dec 3, 2005 3:56pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Listening to that, I was embarrassed for him and by him. I've spent years gladly defending the uniqueness of the band on so many levels and in many ways. Looks like I'll be eating some crow.

To say he was antagonistic is an understatement. I don't appreciate being mocked. He's a bona fide ingrate.

I'd love to hear the private conversations on this topic between Phil and Bob.

Has he issued an official statement? If so, where could one read it or listen to it?

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Poster: luvlight72 Date: Dec 3, 2005 4:15pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

It's very sad Bobby has come to this. He made us fans sound like criminals for downloading music that was 100% legal to download and trade among fans. Soundboards are a violation of copyrights but audience recordings aren't? What am I missing here. If they release the recording through GDM, it's not copyright violations. Who's gonna buy this? Not me. What's next, is the army of GDM lawyers gonna scan the net for traders and press charges against them when every SBD is considered an official release? I wouldn't be surprised if it comes to this some day. I'm sorry Jerry that your band that i have adored for 2 decades has come to this. It's a sad sad time in Grateful Dead history :(

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Dec 3, 2005 12:07pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Classic Weir-speak.

Weir could have gotten away with saying something short and sweet but instead rambles his way into potentially litigious avenues unnecessarily. typical Weir

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Poster: Violalee75 Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:15pm
Forum: etree Subject: So I'm not one of you after all

Wow, I can't believe how many people are mad at Bobby. I understand why he would be angry when faced with a boycott from so-called "fans and supporters" of the Grateful Dead.
I can see why so many people were upset because the free music was being pulled, but that was a GIFT, not a RIGHT.
After all this, I'm more likely to sign a petition telling the deadheads to go screw, and you can be damn sure everything on my shopping list for the holidays is going to be purchased from Dead.net. No boycott for me, regardless of whether or not the archive issue is resolved to the satisfaction of the "fans".

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Poster: SpotTheLooney Date: Dec 7, 2005 11:14pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: So I'm not one of you after all

After 40 years,IT'S A RIGHT!!!!!NOT A GIFT!!!!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 7, 2005 11:19pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: movin' on

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50592

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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:24pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: So I'm not one of you after all

don't pass judgement until you know the whole story - investigate it yourself - come to your own conclusion

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Poster: pwfurther Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:01pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: So I'm not one of you after all

"Thats Mr. Showbiz" (a Garcia stage quote from an excellent 1971 dead show in reference to Bobby :0) If only the bridge from the hereafter existed - Jerry would take a stroll across it and put Mr. Weird inline. When I eat my cornflakes in the morning I often think of Bobby, why is that? Anyway, we have been given permission by Mr. Weir to move on and persue better waveforms - Phil's band has never sounded better, they are on a roll and the gods have been good. Peace

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Poster: Huggybear1 Date: Dec 9, 2005 10:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I've got an idea. If they're gonna use that revenue to digitize the vault, maybe they could remove all of Weir's screaming that has ruined the closing end of many a show. While they're at it they might as well just completely erase him off the masters. I've always thought that his playing reflects his attitude. He thinks that he is much better than he actually is. And as far as Ratfog goes....Ratdog sucks. I've never heard Touch of Grey (and many other tunes) butchered so badly. I take that back. The bands good, they should just ditch Bobby.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 9, 2005 10:12pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview- wrapped

I'm sorry, the most constructive thing you can do here now is *not* to go on discussing this here. Please see
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50565
Thanks.

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Poster: sonomajon Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

a very defensive...not astutely cohrent BW...it sounds as if he's been living in some kind of bubble to not have known what was being compiled here and it also sounds like he felt he was obligated to make a unilateral economically based decision...he may not be a computer person huh? very odd in light of reality...

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Poster: njneere Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:04pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

OK, so does anyone know where the official statement that Bob said he would give later in the audio interview can be found?

Or is never his idea of later?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

As far as I can determine, it has not yet been released.

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Poster: Jerryness Is Good Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

You guys need to ease off. I did a hell of a lot of bitching and venting over the past week, but when it comes down to it-these guys put back the audience and SBD's streaming. Of course it sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better deal than any other bands are giving out there. Bobby doesn't sound like he's shady, he sounds upset and tired. Bobby has looked and sounded tired ever since Jerry died. Did you read Phil's book. Do you realize how much these guys have given us over the years and the toll that it's taken on them? Not a single one of them has close to the money that someone like Britney Spears or some pop star has. And they could have much, much more. They could have made way more money off of us over the years and they opted not to. Despite what everyone thinks, they are not swimming in wealth the way most people of their fame are today. They spend a hell of a lot of money keeping GDM up and running and staying out on tour and digitizing the vault is going to cost a bundle in money, time and effort. I feel bad for many of the things that I've said after hearing that interview. Bobby sounds sad, overwhelmed and tired. I hope that he decides to start speaking to Phil again. For me, I think that so much of this was lingering resentment over the Irwin guitar situation. To me, that was way, way worse. [moderated] this just gave me a chance to say some things that I wanted to say. Anyway, I for one am done and I can't believe some of the things that people who are supposedly Deadheads are saying about their own band. I hope that you guys will listen to the sadness in Bob's voice and consider the fact that he does deserve to get paif for all of the years of hard work and money that he and the rest of the guys put in to touring. It sucks, but trading ain't that hard-it's called an external hard drive. Go to you buddy's house and get all of his Dead shows in about 15 minutes. It's actually a hell of a lot easier than Archive. And if you don't have a buddy with shows then go to a show and make one.

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Poster: mgtremaine Date: Dec 3, 2005 11:03pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

"They spend a hell of a lot of money keeping GDM up and running and staying out on tour and digitizing the vault is going to cost a bundle in money, time and effort."

Of course there are options to this that only a band like the Dead could pull off. Call it a Ripper-Lan Party, charge 100/200 bucks for admission, post the required technical gear to be involved and then once a year drag out the valut and let 500 to 1,000 deadheads with computers start digitizing the valut. The band gets the work done for free, the tappers get first generation SBD, everyone gets a good time. The money covers the cost of setup, space and electricity for the event. Everyone is happy.

I think in the end what everyone wants is for every single minute of tape to be preserved for ever. Tapes wear out, CD's scratch, hard-drives fail, but with a little effort something like the Archive will last forever [or at least a long long time]

-Mike

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Poster: njneere Date: Dec 3, 2005 12:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Nope. You won't see me Bobbo. One thing I can't stand is not telling the truth. At least, Phil was up front, and doesn't fib. If you were going to get sued over cover songs, that would have happened long before woodstock.

I've seen many guys patching into the soundboard over the years, and have never seen anyone who was running the board telling them not to. You KNOW it was encouraged by the GD. Even while you were playing covers. That's how you got your music out there... Hello? ? ?

Face it -
We are not dumb enough to believe that it is about anything but the fact that you found another way to cash in on the GD's work. We could have accepted it as a sign of the times if you were only up front with us from the start. I don't beleive your latest line of BS, and my BW memorabilia will make for a warm fire. But even that won't last, as there wasn't that much to begin with.

You do realize that you just created your own boycott, right, Bobbo ?



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Poster: rrollerball Date: Dec 3, 2005 1:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

check out ratdogs policy on soundboards and trading

Trading Audience Recordings

* RatDog allows and encourages the trading of audience recordings of its concerts provided that no money or tangible products are included. Internet downloads are permitted provided there is no charge for the service, even if such charge is only intended for the purpose of recovering the costs incurred to provide the recordings.

Trading Soundboard Recordings (September 6, 2003 and earlier)

* RatDog allows and encourages the trading of soundboard recordings of its concerts on and prior to September 6, 2003. Internet downloads of concerts on and prior to September 6, 2003 are permitted provided there is no charge for the service, even if such charge is only intended for the purpose of recovering the costs incurred to provide the recordings.

Trading Soundboard Recordings (October 11, 2003 and after)

* Trading and distribution of soundboard recordings of concerts on and after October 11, 2003 are not allowed.


whats up with that?

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Poster: Peter Kuhn Date: Dec 5, 2005 7:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Ratdog sells official SBD CDs of their shows. It looks like they started after the first Dead summer tour in 2003 using the same set up that the Dead used. I don't know how Ratdog's SBD sales are, but my guess is they'd be better off allowing at least audience tapes up on archive.org as it would probably help ticket sales.

BTW, I saw Ratdog on 12/2 at the Denver Fillmore. Fun show except for the new tune or two of Bobby's. It seems he can't write good material without Hunter or Barlow. The Fillmore had a large crowd, but I don't think it sold out. Had I heard his interview on KBCO, I probably would have eaten or at least tried to sell my ticket. Strangely, even now, I'm glad I went to the show as I was really jonesing for some Dead and missed Phil this summer. I would wager that most fans of the Grateful Dead, Phil & Friends and Ratdog are probably oblivious to the issue here at archive.org or don't care.

GDM and the boys need to really think about what will be best for their business. Bobby’s rant and the way GD SBDs were pulled off of archive.org without a statement are not good for business. I do fully support GDM as I generally like their products, they have a generous tape trading policy and especially since they are the caretakers of the GD vault source tapes.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Dec 3, 2005 2:08pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Weir has already forgotten that artists have sued over cover songs before. The estate of Percy Sledge was turned down by the US Supreme Court, even though 2 LIVE CREW had released an obscene version of "When A Man Loves A Woman". A court will care even less about a band doing a respectable performance, which doesn't embarass the original artists...

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Poster: Peacefuljon Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:35am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

well, well, well, when the well runs dry....I don't get it. Bob Weir Needs money to digitize the sound boards. I really don't understand, he's making hard desisions. Look Before downloads there were tapes. They never had a problem with that. I got my tapes, most of what I down loaded was tapes that I all ready had. It also sounds like Bob is very out of touch, he's complaining about us complaining. I'm a Jerry Fan, and a Phil fan. Forget Rat Dog....Bye Bobby....I wont download your songs...especailly Picasso Moon.
Peace, or pay for peace

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Poster: BERGAN BROWN Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

HEY PEACEFULJON YOU MIGHT WANT TO START REFERRING TO YOURSELF HAS HATEFULJON. TO ERR IS HUMAN TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE

TAKE A LOOK INWARD AND FIND THE GGOD

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Poster: Peacefuljon Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

No, I'm not Hateful, I'm Jaded.... And Bitter. and your right, I do speak harshly. I am overly opinionated. I had my chance to download freely for the last year or so. I am really happy the dead gave me that chance. So I do have great sound boards, and now hopefully I will have some amazing audience shows. Sometimes sbd's sound flat and some aud's have that feeling of being there.
I am disappointed with Bob Wier's Statement. Do you understand it. Why is he making the hard decesions alone, does he have a cell phone. Does phil, Mickey, billy have any say. Please
So don't yell at me In captial letters. You sound just as angry as I felt.

Peace

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Poster: BERGAN BROWN Date: Dec 4, 2005 1:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

my friend i do not wish to sound off in a loud manner and i also understand your frustration. to hear weir speak like that about what i thought was family is very disturbing and bothers me to my soul.
we all just need to take a deep breath and wait to see what happens and more importantly listen to what is said

once again peace to you my brother

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Poster: Peacefuljon Date: Dec 4, 2005 3:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Yes, I can see your eyes..... I remember the roses,

Brother, That's a great sound, Thanks


The Archive Really Helps Me Remember.

It's Cool..

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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Your exactly right - Take a look inward and find the good

Good advice for Bobby right now

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Dec 3, 2005 1:24pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Or Corrina. Easy answers isn't a smash hit either Bobby. John Perry Barlow wrote most of those tunes. The copyrights are really his. He doesn't care if we download them!

I got nice picture of Weir flipping us off on stage. Same to you old man. "Fieken Schoen".

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Poster: REVSOUP Date: Dec 9, 2005 1:28pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

hey can you email me that pic of spongebob flippin' off the audience or somethin'? doesn't suprise me,but i'd love to see it.

my 2 cents > Bob? got some BIG-ass news for ya-- ALOT of us never liked you anyway :O we just put up with you out of respect for jerry and the other boys. SEE YA!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 9, 2005 10:14pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview- wrapped

I'm sorry, the most constructive thing you can do here now is *not* to go on discussing this here. Please see
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50565
Thanks.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:48am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview "SEE YA????"

What a crock...!! If you listen to the interview, he says that he hopes we keep the boycott up and he says "see ya! I for one will never spend another dime on anything that Bob Weir is invloved with. And you will not "see me" anywhere near anyplace that you are appearing Mr Weir.

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Poster: bertha66 Date: Dec 3, 2005 2:48pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview 'SEE YA????'

I agree. Much to pull out of this load of garbage that Bob was spewing but SEE YA! was the one thing that said it for me. Money Money, baby. That is what she is all about. They have rights to make $$$ but don't Bull Shit me. What a load.

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Poster: chuckfrommars Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Its never been enough for SOME (not all) of the dead heads - might be why the scene eroded so badly in the later years. What about me maaaaaaaaaaaan, what about me? Got some spare change? I need a miracle ticket cause I’ve been on tour for 6 months and haven’t seen a show (or shower). I can’t even tell you how many times I was verbally abused for wanting to sell a spare ticket for cost (not even including the service charge I paid).

Life isn’t free, tickets weren’t free, and this service should be enough to satisfy even the hippiest of hippies. And for the access to this huge resource, I would have eagerly paid a membership fee. I think a thanks to the Band for letting any of it be available for free (for ever!) and available so easily is what we should be talking about.

As to bobby’s comments and the negativity all you “fans” are spewing - lighten up - all of you! Harp on the bands not participating at all.

I’m saying start saying thanks and stop acting like your entitled to something for nothing. Still!

Start writing messages on the message boards that will stop wars, stop abuse of actual power (not tapes), stop domestic violence and child abuse, promote the feeding of the hungry, the housing of the homeless, the education of the uninformed and the healing of the sick! I’m thinking that’s what Jerry would be saying right about now. Be the pre 90's dead head!

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Poster: Bingerburn Date: Dec 4, 2005 5:34am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I think an important thing to remember is this is all supposed to be "Family". I think an earlier post seemed right, one of the big things Bob sounded like is tired. I also thought it sounded ridiculous, but I've said some pretty crazy things when I have been tired and feel like my financial situation is going steadily down. If the main problem here is that Bob feels like they're all running out of money, then we have to listen. As a family, lets try and help these folks that have given us so much. I know from the people I have met in The Dead family that we have a hell of a lot of intelligent, hard working folks. Anybody got any good cash flow ideas for our friends on stage? I really hope Bob was just talking B.S. cause of hard touring, hard living, and being way to tired---And I hope this gets easier for all of us. I'm trying to hear this all out from all sides before any decisions. (but I sure do see why people are angry)

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Poster: Smores Date: Dec 4, 2005 5:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

"Cash flow ideas," are you serious? How about putting aside their petty bickering, getting together, and going out on tour again?

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Poster: my13 Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

http://spiritpage.com/md/bb/ikonboard.cgi?s=76b3b13ffdb94413372bdba354e6f8fe;act=ST;f=1;t=16824

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Poster: nuchdig Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Truly amazing. Bob oughta take a look in the mirror and realize that the reason the organization isn't doing so well is due to his lack of songwriting skill. Even Barlow abandoned him when he saw what Weir was doing with Ratdog. Bob (Billy & Mickey as well) rode coattails for too long. I've been on the fence about this whole thing but that interview helped me to see a little clearer. Too bad.

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Dec 3, 2005 5:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

"Even Barlow abandoned him when he saw what Weir was doing with Ratdog"

can you shed some light on that for me? Im curious...

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Poster: GDTRF-REAL-F'N-B Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Mother of Babbling Christ! He sounds just like George Bush! I just can't believe it. Now I see why he wasn't speaking. I wish he'd stay silent.

Or to put it another way, Mr. Weir:

"Don't climb on the fence, idiot!"
-- Bobby, Philly 8/6/74

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Poster: Bingerburn Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

I have to agree. Ultimately, I feel like any show with Jerry should be going according to the ideas they had set up at the time. Pretty much, music is out there---grab it. Bob's complaining about money, but forgetting the whole reason the Dead came alive and spread so quickly and amazingly---The sharing and spreading of tapes without business involved. I agree, the best bet economically probably would be if they could stand each other long enough to get back together. I wonder how bad it really is for them, though. I've seen some pretty amazing people act pretty stupid when they get around people they've been around too much. No matter what I thought Bob's whole speel was out there in a very bad way. I would love to call it tired though. Everything I was saying about us coming up with financial ideas is me grasping at straws. Maybe somebody out there has ideas. I sure don't.

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Poster: swedishhead Date: Dec 4, 2005 6:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Ok, so Bob didn't verbalize what's going on here to a standard we all could agree is "fully articulate". Maybe it wasn't handled correctly - indeed, it is my opinion it could have been handled better. I am dissapointed that people aren't seeing this situation for what it is - the simple fact is, they've been slow to take the boards down, they are not as involved with "computers" as others and hey, they haven't been privy to what's happening but indeed the dowload series / dicks picks / itunes etc has worked out a lot better than expected, and as a step to preserve that trajectory of growth - yes...REVENUE growth - than they need to implement this hard decsision. I'm glad he mocked the "free information" group with a fat 'maaaaan'...I feel his total frustration - and daresay contempt for this low rent crowd that figures their entitled - that their OWED...that they somehow DESERVE this fine music for scott free, screw the band! Some of you may respond that "hey I buy dicks picks even though I dowload here" well thats great - but your in the minority - if i have a sbd st. of circumstance from teh show previous to an officially released 9.3.80 show (or whatever) im not going to buy that st. of circumstance for .99 - I've already got it from a few shows before...thats teh way most people are. So I understand this decision - no they didn't operate the execution of this well, but get over it.
So now your labor is free - what if your boss said "hey man, you can work overtime and it should be free - why shoudl I pay you" you'd flip. the analogy is coherent only in that this a valid form of revenue stream for the band that, like any other band on the planet, their entitled too - and the fact remains, this stream of revenue is compromised significantly when boards exist clear and free anywhere online. End of story. I'm baffled why most here aren't absorbing that idea - or in any way indicating they can relate to that idea. Get over his words - he didn't speak well - who CARES.

and as a side note - there are PLENTY...maybe MORE deadheads out here who are SERIOUS heads who are in their 20's and 30's...its' not a dying breed but a growing one in some regards - look at archive.org - the activity here makes that evident. So anyone who says we...even POST "touch heads" aren't serious or are in no way in the multitude are out of touch -and these guys are serious heads - ie. could probably tell you note for note wby the band was more coherent in november of '73 then they were in may of '74 and why in fact, in context of a multitdue of reasons, they were a "great" band in 72 and just a really really good, tight band in may of 77. THis thing lives and breathes people...its not dead.

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Poster: poundermd Date: Dec 4, 2005 7:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

You make an excellent point about the future, one that hasn't come up much in the last couple weeks. I saw Phil in Pittsburgh a few nights ago, and was struck, again, by the fact that at least a third of the people there weren't old enough to have seen GD, even in the last couple years before Garcia died. And I've consistently noticed the same thing at Phil/Ratdog/Dead shows over the past few years. There is a future here, and the band is taking steps to protect that.

I'm not saying this has been handled well, and I'm not saying I don't miss the sounboards that used to be available here. But those board recordings are the band's bread and butter, and reasonable people would have to agree they deserve to make some money from the 40 years of work they put in.

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Poster: Jerryness Is Good Date: Dec 4, 2005 4:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

If you weren't at any of the shows in those years you can't really say any of that. I wasn't either, but tape and live are different and I doubt that you've heard all of the shows from those eras. They were way more than a "tight" band in '77.

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Poster: cdevs Date: Dec 6, 2005 2:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

poundermd said:
"But those board recordings are the band's bread and butter, and reasonable people would have to agree they deserve to make some money from the 40 years of work they put in."

Yesyesyes. But the question is HOW.

Last time I checked, the GD were selling a whole bunch of stuff already! They are making a lot of money from it. Problem is that they were/are terrible businesspeople who've indulged the cardinal sin -- bloated overhead. This aspect of their business model prevents them from making a decent profit. Ever.

But rather than change their internal business model, they seek to change the market -- to try and drive out competitors, increase market share and grow top-line sales. Their plan for doing this is to start charging for something that, for all intents and purposes, has been given out for free up until this point. Kinda like a software firm that gives away the 'lite' verion of their program for free, while charging for the bells-and-whistles version. Now it's "no more freebie", even though both the 'lite' version and the pay version remain (at least in terms of quality) essentially the same as before.

Sounds reasonable when you're sitting in a board room...but it rarely works out well. You're still a bloated company, but now the people you rely on for support -- your best customers -- feel that you've turned on them somehow. They become less interested in supporting you passionately. They might even stop doing business with you entirely, and figure out new ways to soldier on without you. (That part is actually pretty easy.)

Funny thing is, if you had gone to them and sought their help and advice -- if you'd included them in the process -- they probably would have been willing to assist you in moving towards a sustainable business model, at some cost to them. But that's not how you choose to run your biz. You're aloof, secretive and inconsistent in your communications. You can't hide the internal stife that's gnawing you from the inside out. In short, your karma is not all that it should be. And everyone knows it.

So you change the rules of the game unilaterally, and you sales increase a little, but not as much as you'd expected, and with no real increase in profits, since you've still got that nagging overhead to feed. You eventually realize that you've willingly placed yourself on the wrong side of a zero-sum game. You made choices, you set things in motion and now you're pretty much f*cked.

The end result in these situations is usually a buyout by a smarter, more savvy competitor or conglomerate. Whoopee. Thanks for playing.

***
I read somewhere that Bob was near tears at laying off 2/3 of their staff. Believe me, getting laid off is horrible and it's almost worse when you're the one doing the deed. But what's going on here? Did the GD make some solemn promise to support 'the family' ad infinitum, regardless of whether or not they were a viable entity anymore? If they did, well, shame on them for making promises they could never keep. I can't feel pity for them when I (and tens of thousands like me) have already dropped many thousands of dollars into the kitty. Crying poor at this stage of the game is borderline insulting.

[end of biz-school rant]




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Poster: SpotTheLooney Date: Dec 7, 2005 11:26pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

All i have to say about the Dicks Picks series is..DICK IS DEAD!!!!! These are "Picked" by some Shlub at GDM... If this "Vault" of theirs exists,do you think Dick would have used a cassette to master for a Dicks Picks?
(8-7-82)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 7, 2005 11:40pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: movin' on

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50592

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Poster: SpotTheLooney Date: Dec 8, 2005 8:30pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: movin' on

Wow...Thanx for the useless link to nothing important!!!

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Poster: markpj Date: Dec 3, 2005 9:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

WOW bob said see ya!! golly All I wanted what was already there..I guess bob does not need us anymore..who else is going to buy your tickets BW ..us your fans! who else is going to buy the digitized CDS ?? Who needs Who ..WOW I am so sad about this ..PHIL RULES..and now I really know why the dead is dead..

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Poster: BostonIndica Date: Dec 4, 2005 12:30pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

thanks diana :)



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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 4, 2005 9:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview- wrapped

I'm sorry, the most constructive thing you can do here now is *not* to go on discussing this here. Please see
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50565
Thanks.

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Poster: bertha66 Date: Dec 3, 2005 2:45pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Load of Crap....if the sbd's are copyright infringment then all the music is. Money grubbing crap. it is all about the money.

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Poster: geolectro Date: Dec 3, 2005 3:51pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

This reminds me of that scene from the movie where the dude is all "...am i gonna get royalties...."

like the other dude said, it's always good to see a real deadhead around......

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Poster: deadza Date: Dec 3, 2005 6:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

you better take it all down bob copyright exists in aud as well as soundboards the music is the same from a particular date and show so arn't we breaking copywright laws if say desolation row is in board or aud,i guess only one part of his statement is relevent and true that is that they do req the revenue,so be honest about it bob oh and i took a roll of film at the rat dog london astoria gig 2004 summer have i infringed artists copyright?
peace to all and that means all inc bobby

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Dec 3, 2005 7:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Bob Weir Interview

Nothing Bobby said changed my already low opinion of him. At least he was honest enough to admit he couldn't give a ratdog's a** about his loyal fans of 40 years.

Its all about the Benjamins, Oh... and come to my next Ratdog show!! ya right.

As to those whining about the 'whiners'. Sure some have gone a little over the top with their protests, but I can assure you that the auds for downloading and boards for streaming would not have returned if we all had just kept silent.